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Lishy · Jun 28, 2008, 10:39 PM // 22:39

I have been playing my Mesmer lately and I am finding a hard to time to synergize with my heroes now that I am not a paragon.
Does anyone have a good team build or tips for mesmer + heroes?

-Lotus- · Jun 29, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

make a new character. thats my tip. you wont be nearly as effective as a mesmer, you can play some fun gimmicks though! maybe you can even pretend to be an ele.

jiggles · Jun 29, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

lotus, are you an idiot? mesmers are imo the second best class in the game.

i posted just to say that, for heroes i really have no idea

Life in vain · Jun 29, 2008, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

make a new character. thats my tip. you wont be nearly as effective as a mesmer, you can play some fun gimmicks though! maybe you can even pretend to be an ele.

I lol'd irl when you basicly said paragon effectiveness>mesmer

dilan155 · Jun 29, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

as a mesmser you have a lot of doors open, however make sure to focus on one area instead of all areas. there is a assassin's promise mesmer floating around, not sure of the build however and due to how fast mobs die in PvE it would be very effective. gl to you and dont be put off by ppl who are too retarded to play mesmer as this is one of the only professions that require skills to play other being monk though it is being replaced by a new trend of HB monks

toastgodsupreme · Jun 29, 2008, 04:25 AM // 04:25

SoI lets you do a lot of stuff.

Honestly though, when I'm on my mesmer, I play as a fast casting curses mesmer with Cry of Pain and Necrosis as my damage (shrinking armor to trigger CoP).

That, with the sabway set up (the curses necro modified so that he doesn't share any curse skills with me), nothing lives for long.

-Lotus- · Jun 29, 2008, 04:42 AM // 04:42

mesmers are a PvP class. sorry if that offends anyone, but its true. the only thing mesmer primaries can do better than any other class is play silly PvE skill gimmicks with Signet of illusions.

not derailing this any further.

DarkSpirit · Jun 29, 2008, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

mesmers are a PvP class. sorry if that offends anyone, but its true. the only thing mesmer primaries can do better than any other class is play silly PvE skill gimmicks with Signet of illusions.

not derailing this any further.

You dont have to use SoI to be effective. My mesmer is doing quite well in HM with an [[Assassin's Promise] build:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...99#post3857022

Currently using this 3-hero build: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...&postcount=225

..with Mhenlo, Lina, Herta, and Zho. I choose to use that hero combination because of the damage the build generates. An AP build needs to be able to kill, at least single targets, FAST in HM.

luminoire · Jun 29, 2008, 06:26 AM // 06:26

running domination, you can make good use of [Assassin's Promise] with damage skills like [Unnatural Signet], [Energy Burn] and [Power Spike], as well as [Wastrel's Demise] and [Overload] depending on how much of an opportunist you are.

illusion line runs [Clumsiness], [Wandering Eye] and [Ineptitude], the earlier two skills along with domination skills like [Shame], [Guilt] and [Mistrust] combo well with [Frustration].

this assumes you have no kurzick/luxon/sunspear ranks to boost effectiveness of [Cry of Frustration].
or [Ether Nightmare] + [Signet of Corruption] for free dmg and additional energy management.

for any spell line you're running, i recommend taking [Auspicious Incantation] or [Power Drain] along, even with a few points into inspiration they go pretty far for energy management.

Lishy · Jun 29, 2008, 07:11 AM // 07:11

May I ask how that synergizes with heroes?
Also for the build in the above posts; How does assassin's promise recharge?

-Lotus- · Jun 29, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Kain Fz

May I ask how that synergizes with heroes?
Also for the build in the above posts; How does assassin's promise recharge?

AP recharges itself along with your other skills if you can get your heroes to kill the target within the time limit.

A11Eur0 · Jun 29, 2008, 07:32 AM // 07:32

assassin's promise recharges itself if you kill the enemy in time.

Abedeus · Jun 29, 2008, 07:43 AM // 07:43

Truth is, the better player is, the better Mesmer is. So bad people think Mesmer is the worst class in PvE.

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May I ask how that synergizes with heroes?

Just run Sabway/Racthway. Sabway has a bit bigger DPS thanks to minions + Barbs, so you won't have to worry about your AP running out before you kill something.

Kyomi Tachibana · Jun 29, 2008, 07:57 AM // 07:57

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

mesmers are a PvP class. sorry if that offends anyone, but its true. the only thing mesmer primaries can do better than any other class is play silly PvE skill gimmicks with Signet of illusions.

not derailing this any further.

People like you are the reason I don't pug with my mesmer.

Anywho, back on track, finding a combination of heroes that go well with a mesmer can be rather difficult, depending on whether you want to do HM or NM stuff especially.

A fun hero team I used on my mesmer for awhile was the 'mandragor' type team build.

You - Illusion - Fevered Dreams + YMLaD + Enfeeble
Ranger Hero - BHA + Poison Tip Signet + Volley.
Elementalist Hero - Bsurge or Dual Attune Bflash
Optional hero - With Blind, Weakness, Cripple, Poison, Daze and maybe Cracked Armor from the air ele, this slot is largely optional, you can run another conditioner, paragons are nice, if you want Deep Wound you can slap Accumulated Pain or Finish Him! on your bar, an MM is always a welcome addition, Death Novas and aid in interrupting multiple targets through Daze. A Dervish could be possible as well, with Wounding Strike, as well as striking multiple opponents.

You could also run a hex heavy team, heroes aren't good at placing hexes in the first place, but I find they are good at not overlapping hexes unless it's duration is almost up. At least it's what I observed with three heroes using Putrid Bile, they spread it around on near recharge to as many opponents as possible.

upier · Jun 29, 2008, 09:33 AM // 09:33

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Originally Posted by Life in vain

I lol'd irl when you basicly said paragon effectiveness>mesmer

I lol-ed at your lol-ing.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Truth is, the better player is, the better Mesmer is.

That's true for any class.

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

So bad people think Mesmer is the worst class in PvE.

The problem is that it's not even close to the best ones.

Pretty much what you want to do is:
3 PvE skills.
Assassin's Promise.
Domination or Illusion nukes. (Keep in mind that things like Shatter Ench or Shatter Hex can be considered nukes - next to the usual Spiritual Pain, E-Burn, Unnatural Signet.)

Sabway works very nicely.

DarkSpirit · Jun 29, 2008, 09:46 AM // 09:46

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Originally Posted by upier

3 PvE skills.

You dont need to use all 3 PvE skills. Most of the time, I only need 1 or 2. That said, if you can make your build more powerful with 3 then feel free to use 3, but having 3 PvE skills doesn't always imply a better skill bar.

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Sabway works very nicely.

Sabway is ok as a generic 3-hero build but it can usually be optimized to kill faster.

Cathode_Reborn · Jun 29, 2008, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Abedeus

Sabway has a bit bigger DPS thanks to minions + Barbs, so you won't have to worry about your AP running out before you kill something.

That setup is horrible for strong direct damage. When you run AP, you should be using heroes that can go "hey guy, you die now". Minions don't care who you target, and SS nec sucks for single-target damage.

My Mes runs somethin very similar to what my Nec does. AP combined with PvE skills and 3 Discord heroes so you're pretty much guaranteed to get the kill everytime. AP + Cry of Pain can do huge aoe damage.

As much as I'd like to use my mes often in pve, I really don't find them too attractive without PvE skills.

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

You dont need to use all 3 PvE skills. Most of the time, I only need 1 or 2. That said, if you can make your build more powerful with 3 then feel free to use 3, but having 3 PvE skills doesn't always imply a better skill bar.

3 PvE skills arn't need, but definitely can help alot. The reason they're so good for Mesmers is because many of their effects and damage is unconditional. Two big reasons why Mes skills arn't suitable for PvE is because some are too conditional, and often have long recharges. AP + PvE skills solves both of those problems. Still though, I honestly think mesmers can use a few buffs in pve...

DarkSpirit · Jun 29, 2008, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by Cathode_Reborn

3 PvE skills arn't need, but definitely can help alot. The reason they're so good for Mesmers is because many of their effects and damage is unconditional. Two big reasons why Mes skills arn't suitable for PvE is because some are too conditional, and often have long recharges. AP + PvE skills solves both of those problems. Still though, I honestly think mesmers can use a few buffs in pve...

That is over generalizing. For example, is [[Finish Him!] conditional or not? The 50%hp would be a condition.

How about [[Pain Inverter]? That doesn't work much against monsters with degen hexes. How about [[Cry of Pain]? A condition for the huge AoE damage is mesmer hex.

PvE skills can be conditional too. Skill bars with 3 PvE skills doesn't necessarily imply a better build than skill bars with 2 PvE skills. The design of the skill bar is more important.

Wyat Hawke · Jun 29, 2008, 10:26 AM // 10:26

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Originally Posted by DarkSpirit

That is over generalizing. For example, is [[Finish Him!] conditional or not? How about [[Pain Inverter] compared to [[Empathy]?

You don't get it do you?

TO the OP, do as Upier said.

DarkSpirit · Jun 29, 2008, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by Wyat Hawke

You don't get it do you?

TO the OP, do as Upier said.

No you dont get it do you? PvE skills can be conditional, learn to read skill descriptions. [[Finish Him!] DOES have a 50%hp condition, otherwise try wasting it on a fully healed monster.

Learn to read before flamming next time.